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There’s also another slightly sinister arm to this, where there are non-UK, non-GamStop operators out there, which I get targeted by all the time. I get targeted emails. I was getting relentless text messages from some companies as well, saying we’re not GamStop, come and bet with us. There’s a whole unregulated market, which I don’t know what you do with that. That is pretty much a criminal operation, and you can guarantee if I put money into there, getting that money out with those people, if I was to win is almost impossible
I mean, when you see these spokespeople come out and talk about responsible gambling week and these responsible gambling controls. I mean, in Responsible Gambling Week this week this year, Sky Bet sent a promotional email out to thousands of excluded gamblers, apparently in error. But you just think it’s not going to stop.
There’s a couple of things that changed over time in terms of betting on credit cards. That was ridiculously damaging. I racked up tens of thousands of credit card debt gambling. But, yeah, things like I mean, I’ve never relied on payday loans and things like that. I do have loans, with sort of more reputable companies, but things like that do still exist. There is access to quick money with high interest rates and stuff like that. So as a gambler, there was always ways to get money.
This myth that they don’t have the data. I mean, they’ve got plenty of data on the winning gamblers… I remember reading a story, somebody who used to work for [gambling company] saying that they would attach a value to players to say this person over this period of time is going to be worth this much money to us because this space on their pattern of play, this is how much they’re going to lose over time. And I 100 percent believe that… I mean, the sophistication of the data they have on people they can spot straight away within hours of somebody opening an account… The thing is a lot of these companies are interlinked now… they would be sharing all that information across all of those providers. So they would all know exactly how to get to you.
The controls don’t work. As an addict I can vouch for that. I mean, self-exclusion, self-exclusion works in the sense that you come from that operator. GamStop is obviously one of the best things that’s come about for me in recent times. Because I’m an online only player, I’ve been able to use GamStop to pretty much control that side of things. And it does work and it’s good. But before that came in, I could just bounce from casinos, from operator to operate to operator and have no problems at all. So self-exclusion that works.
I think it was like an element where if I bet sensibly and if I researched a game and picked it out, I think I was winning more often than I was losing… In-play betting was probably my biggest weakness. So when I had bets that were placed before the match and were well thought out, they were often good bets and even if they lost I could sit back and say, “Well, that was, I’d made the right decisions in getting to that bet”. But then during the game, I’d be like, “Oh, okay, I’ll bet on there being a goal in the first half”, and then that wouldn’t come in, and then I’d bet on something else. And by the time the game is over, the money that I’d won from the sensible bet had all been wiped out by all in-play betting at the same time.
I felt like because I loved football and I knew about football, it kind of gave me this edge where I felt like I could do the research into it and then pick a more informed bet… I think things only really changed after university. So around kind of 2005, 2006, when you had the likes of BetFair came along and gambling on your mobile phone became a thing. And I really got into BetFair in the sense that it was, you weren’t just, you weren’t just betting you could trade. So you could place a bet, but then if the bet was going your way, you could, you could then trade out of that position and lock in a profit and those sort of things. And I quite liked that angle of it. It felt like I wasn’t gambling, I was trading.
I know I’ve opened up quite a lot today and spoken to you about it, but I can’t see a day where I can sit down with my dad and talk to him about what I’ve done. I just, I can’t because he’s of a generation as well where gamblers are thought of even worse. The sort of stereotypical gambler from his generation is kind of the guy that spends all day in a smoky bookie, just getting his salary in an envelope, taking it straight down there and losing it all.
I’d put £20 on, then £50, £200 and before I know, I’ve lost all £807. I’ve then deposited another £2000 and just desperate to get back to that £800 that I had…. And yeah, the sums of money are just staggering. And I think it leaves some, it’s left some real, lasting, lasting damage with me there in the sense that I don’t feel like I don’t value money in the same way that I used to. There was a time of day where £100 would have seemed like loads of money to me. It just doesn’t anymore. Numbers seem insignificant and that’s totally as a consequence, obviously of the gambling.
I was off work sick for a couple of weeks and I’d actually turned to sort of keep myself entertained because obviously no one else is off, my wife was in work. I was bored all day. I’d started betting on horse racing. I never had any interest in horse racing. I had no real idea what I was doing, but it was just something to, I thought this would keep me ticking over until the football starts in the evening.
There’s also another thing that the operators need to do better is I could open an account with somebody, and I could deposit £500 day one, a £1000 pounds day two, £3000 day three, then get a winner on day three and request a withdrawal for £4000. Only at that point would they get in touch and say “Okay, we need to verify your account before you can process this withdrawal”. It’s like, why did you not care about that stuff when I was depositing? It’s like “you could be using a fake credit card to get the money back” and it’s like well you didn’t care when, would you have got in touch if I lost that other two grand or the other four grand?
The effect it’s had on my mental health has been dreadful. It’s to the point where I’m signed off work at the moment. I’m due to go back in January, but I’ve had to get a lot of counselling and had to seek professional help to recover from it. And it’s almost like, it’s been described to me as a kind of PTSD kind of thing. So I have this kind of trauma now from all those experiences.
You don’t talk to people about it because it’s seen as quite a dirty habit almost. And my wife’s the only person who has ever known about it. Other people may have deduced, I mean, I’m nearly 40, I’ve always been in well-paid jobs, and I don’t own my own home. We rent and we don’t have loads of money because we’re covering other stuff so other people might have made their deductions. I’ve always managed to, with my own family, kind of talk myself out of it in the sense of, “So well, we’ve badly restructured”, and things like that. And whether they believe that or not, I don’t know.
My wife, I mean, she’s been incredible, incredibly supportive. But that thought in the back of my mind of every time I go to a different room or if I’m upstairs and she’s not with me and every time I go out. Is he having a bet? Is he? Is he gambling again? Trying to pick up on those signs. I just feel like I constantly have to reassure her that I’m not and constantly have to do things to kind of reinforce that I’m not. So, yeah, I think that side of it is, is the sort of aftermath of it all. Although you can look back and you kind of have this story, it’s kinda the aftermath of picking up the pieces around it is the sort of difficult part.
I think that side of it is, is the sort of aftermath of it all. Although you can look back and you kind of have this story, it’s kinda the aftermath of picking up the pieces around it is the sort of difficult part. And now I’m sort of looking ahead like I said, I’m almost 40 and you’re thinking, well, I’m still maybe 10 years away from owning a house, assuming everything stays to plan. And I pay my debt off and then we’re able to save up and I don’t go back to gambling
There’s a couple of things that changed over time in terms of betting on credit cards. That was ridiculously damaging. I racked up tens of thousands of credit card debt gambling. But, yeah, things like I mean, I’ve never relied on payday loans and things like that. I do have loans, with sort of more reputable companies, but things like that do still exist. There is access to quick money with high interest rates and stuff like that. So as a gambler, there was always ways to get money.
Because the sad fact is, as much as you want to say you recovered and you’re fine, it is always going to be there. I am going to have to be on guard the rest of my life to make sure that I don’t sneak back into it. And when I look at the things that have got me back into it in the past, it’s so innocuous. It’ll be an email, or it’ll be just something I’ll see on TV or something like that. It’ll just trigger something in my mind saying, “Oh, I’ll have a look. What harm can there be in having a look?”, and then you’re back in.
And it’s so much more sophisticated now, which is so scary and I think having two young kids. That’s something that really motivates me to stay, to stay abstinent now is for them to have never known me as a gambler. That’s what I want more than anything is for them to, they’re still young enough that they would never know that I’ve done what I’ve done and I don’t want them to know.