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Emily

Emily works for a charity that provides support, raises awareness of gambling harms, and campaigns for change. Her dad experienced difficulties with his gambling when she was growing up and he gambled during her childhood into early adulthood.

Emily says she never saw her dad experiencing gambling difficulties during this time. She says she felt quite protected from the impact of her dad’s gambling by her mum – whereas for her mum, her step-mum, the harm was felt a lot more. She says her mum still feels the legacy harms from gambling and it has impacted her mum’s relationship with money.

Emily sometimes worries that her dad might start gambling again, such as when the Grand National comes around because he is bombarded by betting advertisements. She says her dad knows that he can come to her if he needs someone to talk to because there is no judgement, and she can help him. She also feels more equipped to understand and offer support or guidance on who to turn to because of her current job.

Emily says that it is important that gambling is properly recognised as a public health issue. She says people need to know how harmful gambling can be and how much it destroys lives, and that gambling harm can happen to anybody, at any level. People with lived experience are fighting tooth and nail to make sure that people know about the dangers of gambling and are fighting relentlessly with the government to make sure those changes are in place nationally. She says the gambling industry need to be held accountable for the damage they cause and there also needs to be a statutory levy to help fund the organisations without the influence of industry, to raise awareness, educate, treat people, and support. There does not need to be a bombardment of gambling advertising that normalises gambling for children. It is everywhere and it needs to stop.

 

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I’d say the reasons he started gambling was a social activity. Other people in the office are doing it. He goes along to do it, everybody’s going off at lunchtime, why is he going to go and stay in the office and work while they’re all out down there? Then I also think it was because, well, I’m the only one bringing money in because my wife’s looking after the girls and wouldn’t it be great if I had more money to treat them and things like that. Then I think from when he was in there, it was like an escapism of like, this is his thing to do. It’s a way of, not a boredom killer so to speak, but, yes, just like get away from life or whatever it be. Looking back and knowing what I know now, I probably see that he was targeted through, well, if he’s regularly gambling and then gets invited to go and watch the races and then by gambling more, they get access to all areas or whatever to the horse racing.

Then there’s that incentive to keep gambling and that lifestyle that comes with it. Going with guys to the races and having a few beers and everything. It then sort of becoming a lifestyle so to speak but then that period happened, I’d say when I was young going like pre-teens and then it happened occasionally, but as it was more apparent that it was a problem that all that thing stopped but then that’s why I do not know whether he was betting on the horses online or whatever. I’d say that it started as being this escapism social activity. Just want to get some more money for my family to then be like, oh well, if I gamble more then I get invited to these places or this is quite nice and this is my own.

Emily
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I talked about what it was he gambled on, which I pretty much knew anyway, but it’s horse racing. It started out as a very social activity on a Friday afternoon with the work lot, going down to the bookies, putting a couple of bets on the horses to see if they can bring anything in for the weekend. I think, from what I understand, it started as a social thing to do and then started to become a Friday ritual. My mum always said that she knew when he’d won, and when he hadn’t, because he’d come home and he’d be like, “Let’s book a babysitter. We’re going out, or we’re going to take the girls away.” Or like, “Let’s go out for dinner with them.” Or something like that. Then other times, he would just come home and wouldn’t say anything. My mum was like, “Oh, great. Well, that’s not good news.” He told me that it was with horses. I also remember when I was younger going into pubs and playing on the fruit machines. We would play with him as well, thinking it was a game. Sometimes we’d spend, I remember seeing him putting money in. I was very young and at that age, you think adults have all the money in the world, do you know what I mean? It’s only when I look back, trying to remember that far back and actually how long did we play for, how much money did go in then and stuff.

From what I understand, hasn’t been online. I think it’s more in-play betting, sports focused, not like casinos or anything. I had that chat with him. When I spoke to him about it, he was giving information, but then also he said like, “It wasn’t that bad. I didn’t lose millions of pounds.” Obviously, I now know it doesn’t need to be millions to qualify you as someone with a gambling addiction. Just the fact that if you can’t pay your mortgage or even just for the weekly shop or that’s your last £5, that’s enough.

Emily
Gambling Experiences
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It was my dad who gambled. It is so hard for me to differentiate him as a gambler and him as my dad because I know that he never showed me or my sisters that side of him. He was always very much our dad. The only way I saw any sort of impact was on his relationship with my mum and also relationship with my step mum. Also knowing what the effects or impacts it had on other members of the family. My dad is such an easy-going, nothing’s a bother type of guy. Was successful in his career, had his own business at one stage and doing really well now. He’s into his 60s now, still working, is completely into his sports, family guy. For me, when I was growing up, I knew my dad from hearing things from my mum and step-mum, knew that he gambled.

There was times that it became apparent where it got too much, but I never saw an impact on my dad. There was never an impact on my relationship with my dad, but knowing what I know now and also just how the world works in general, the guy he is bringing up a family, working, main breadwinner, keeps his feelings and emotions to himself. I think throughout his gambling, through his relationships with my mum and my step mum, he kept it all in. He hid a lot of things, but it also now makes me think, whenever I see my dad and I see that he’s fine, I think maybe, is he okay? Is he struggling with anything because the best part of his life, he’s been able to hide this to a certain extent.

Yes, he gambled pretty much throughout my childhood and through into my teens, early adulthood. I don’t really know my dad as, it’s weird to say as a gambler, but I never knew him as a gambler. I always just see him as my dad. There was never any impact on me that I would differentiate, oh, well, this is when he’s in a gambling episode or he’s struggling with his gambling compared to him outside of it.

Emily
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I think women are also targeted in the most seedy way. Like if you are on maternity leave and then you are watching daytime TV and then there’s all those targeted ads and all this community of like, well join our bingo community. I don’t know what the sites are, but to come along and it’s not just to gamble and play bingo. You also get to meet friends and stuff. Well, yes, but once they’ve got you through the door, that’s what they want to do. They don’t care about the community element, they’re just putting it in there as like hope that you’ll just sign up. Then also at such vulnerable times, I can’t speak from personal experience, I don’t have any children, but just through what I understand and also what I’ve seen through friends and other people is that it’s some of the toughest times, like you having a new newborn baby and if they’re sleeping and you’re tired and you’re on maternity pay, you’re not on full pay, and all these incentives, it’s like, oh, it’s an escapism, a way of getting extra money. These bombardments of adverts that you are missing out, and when you are feeling lonely or on your own because you’re doing everything you can to say, bring child or raise a child. Then, yes, I just think it’s disgusting the way they do that.

Emily
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I feel like, it’s weird. I’m at peace with the fact that I’m aware of it, and that I know that it wasn’t my dad that is– he’s a gambler and he’s doing this to spite his family and friends and everything, the fact that actually there’s somebody who’s really struggled for a number of years. I feel that, but I’m also feeling a bit at peace because I’m aware of everything that’s going on, whereas there is some families and people out there who aren’t aware. I can see how it could continue. I think I have been, my mum, stepmum, dad, family, have all protected me and my sisters because of it. That’s why when I was first asked, “Have you ever experienced gambling harm?” I said, yes. I wanted to say, but it wasn’t that bad, but that’s because I was protected from it. Whereas actually for my mum, stepmum and dad and my uncle, for example, the harm was felt a lot more.

I’d say I’m at peace with it now because I feel equipped to deal with it or to understand it a lot more and I know what to do, or at least have guidance on what to do and who to reach out to. This is an industry that is just taking advantages of people left, right and centre and not caring, in my opinion. That there is also a group or a community in this country, of people with lived experience who are fighting tooth and nail to make sure that eventually, people will have all the information they need to be aware of these dangers through gambling, and also fighting relentlessly with the government to make sure that those changes are in place nationally.

That is a good to know, is that I’m not alone, never have I been. We might have felt that as a family at one stage, but that now, there is actually people and anybody can join as well. If you are experiencing the harm, through working with the [organisation] over the last two years, it started as a decent group of like five people, and every time we run an event, there’s at least another 10 people who signed up who we’ve not heard of before. I think it’s just constantly being like, you know what, even if it is just to come along, there’s no pressure to talk about your experiences, but just to be around people who have experience similar to you, it helps. That’s the therapy in itself.

Emily
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Talk to them. Have no judgment, just understand it a bit more. Just ask the questions of what do you gamble on? Because also from knowing what I know now, there are certain products out there which, they’re designed to keep you engaged and keep putting money in. Not that I’m saying that any form of gambling isn’t harmful, but yes, just understanding it a little bit more, but then also really being clear of, you can always come to me, always talk to me. Also, don’t have the expectation that you’re going to change things because it has to come from that person.

There are — go and find out how ways to stop or restrict it or whatever but just talking to them because this is something that, again, a British thing is like, we don’t talk about money, we don’t talk about finances. We’re just starting to talk about mental health. Just have no judgment whatsoever, like this is, we all have our vices that some aren’t as harmful as others and this is just one that people can be taken advantage of. The fact that they’re gambling, doesn’t necessarily they mean to harm anybody else in their family. They might be being targeted and that it might not be all their fault.

Yes, talk to them, be open, be there to help but also find support for yourself because what my mum is going through now is impacted from 20 years ago. If she did know how to help then, then maybe 20 years down line, she wouldn’t be experiencing harm as she is. I know this is all very new and still a long way to go to getting it to be that recognized public health issue, but for anybody who is experiencing or the loved ones experiencing gambling harm, just talk to them, be there for them. It’s good to have somebody to go and talk to where you know that there’s going to be no judgment and just listen.

Emily
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There’s obviously the NHS gambling clinics out there, and we all know that they’d love to have a lot more, and with things like 2% of gamblers actually seek treatment who able to get the treatment, but then also these clinics are overwhelmed with the amount of referrals that they get. Having, but again, that’s down to finances and funding. There needs to be this treatment available for the people who are in it, but the crucial thing for me is preventing it from happening. We’re going into having raising awareness, what to do, the signposting, we make clear and everything.

Then also the groups like GamFam and GamLearn, where you can go along. GamFam as an affected other and GamLearn for somebody who has experience with addiction directly themselves, to go to these groups and talk. A lot of the people that I speak to who are in recovery, is because it was seeing somebody else in recovery or coming out to say that they have had a problem, has helped them realize that they can go and get help. Just having more of those places to go. Also, for the example in the Big Step, once you’re part of our community, if you struggle, you’ve pretty much got a whole group of people who are like, “Let’s help them.” We’re here, and you do drop everything, or they do drop everything to help one another. Also, it’s just the amount of stories and everything that come out of what they’ve experienced, so many people can relate to.

Awareness of prevention, the focus of preventing these harms from happening in the first place, so through education, reaching out to young people, having more treatment facilities for those who are already like so many people who are currently experiencing the harm and helping them to stay stopped, like if once they do enter recovery and that it being more long-lasting than what it currently is, like the whole programme. Then also people being aware that there are these amazing groups across the country. Not that you can even just attend from home to speak with people who’ve experienced it and who also have 100% got your back all the time.

Emily
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I remember when I was younger going into pubs and playing on the fruit machines. We would play with him as well, thinking it was a game. I remember seeing him putting money in. I was very young and at that age, you think adults have all the money in the world.

Gambling Experiences

When I was younger and they sat down and chatted and said that they were separating, at the time, it was “mummy and daddy don’t love each other anymore.” This thing is not going to impact you, etc. Then from then as I’ve grown older, I knew relatively soon that it was due to an affair, but then things would come out about him gambling.

Gambling Experiences Stigma

I always remember him being taken to the races. He took me for my birthday. I loved horses when I was growing up, used to do horse riding, everything. I thought, “Oh, great, it’s just this.” Now, I’m looking back, because I was like, “We got access to here, we got access to there.” I’m like, “Was that an early VIP scheme?” Because he’s regularly betting, he’s then getting tickets to come to Haydock.

Gambling Experiences

My step mum took control of the finances. His pay packet would go into her account. She would manage it to make sure that her and my younger half-sister were looked after and that they had a roof over their heads and stuff like that.

Gambling Experiences

I think it’s just for me, knowing what I know now and have always seen it like this is that, although my dad had a problem with gambling, that’s not him. It is a part of him. I still see my dad as this guy I look up to, who helped raise me, and has supported me and loved me throughout my life and would always be there.

Gambling Experiences

Gambling ads are just everywhere. I don’t smoke, but if I wanted to smoke, I know exactly where to get some cigarettes. There is no advertising… It needs to be the same with gambling.

Gambling Companies

Because also from knowing what I know now, there are certain products out there which, they’re designed to keep you engaged and keep putting money in.

Gambling Companies

Knowing what I know now, I probably see that he was targeted through, well, if he’s regularly gambling and then gets invited to go and watch the races and then by gambling more, they get access to all areas or whatever to the horse racing. Then there’s that incentive to keep gambling and that lifestyle that comes with it.

Gambling Companies

There doesn’t need to be this bombardment, and also this normalization to children that this is okay, and this is a really fun thing to do, and actually, if you’re not doing it, you’re missing out. It just needs to stop, it’s just everywhere and it’s vile, in my opinion. For example, with my dad and the races, grand national was one of the biggest racing events of the year, and it’s everywhere. During that time, every time I see it, I feel sick, because I’m like, “Oh my God, is my dad seeing this? Is he going to put a bet on because he’s seen advert?”

Gambling Companies

At the end of the day, there’s a guy here who’s struggling with his mental health as well, and that his actions have never been to upset or hurt anybody. A lot of that is the reason why he’s kept a lot of things to himself, which in the long run has never been the greatest idea or it’s not helped him.

Stigma

When I’ve mentioned it to my friends, it’s been, oh, right, but not like a judgment. It’s just like, oh, okay, but then I suppose whenever we speak with anybody now, or I speak with anybody about my work, they go, oh, well, I know such and such, or I know someone. There’s a lot of people who also can relate.

Stigma

I now realize actually how much of an impact it had on my mum. She has a lot of trust issues and money is always a sore topic or a touchy subject with her because she doesn’t have a lot. Maybe sometimes she hasn’t managed it as well, but I also think finance and money is like a real drive for her, like she needs to have it. I feel like that also probably comes from when my dad was gambling. She was at home looking after me and my sister and then she’d not know each week whether they’d have money that weekend or whether things would get paid. She wasn’t in control of it.

Harm

There’s also this feeling that I have with my dad that I’m obviously worried that he would start gambling again. From what I understand, he doesn’t. Also, to let that go, that’s out of my control.

Recovery

My mum and I joined a family affected other group with GamFam. That has absolutely helped my mum understand that the trust issues that she has and her complex around money stems from the relationship she had with my dad… I think for us, it was definitely eye-opening, in fact, that we knew that there’s a lot of things that’s still happening now that happened then. It’s helped my mum in that sense. For myself, I think just being a part of this community, it’s just awareness enough and to actually sympathize with my dad a little bit more.

Recovery

I think my therapy and help has been through just being in the space and actually feel like I’m doing something about it or contributing to raising awareness.

Recovery

The reason why I joined [charity], is not only because of my events career background. Before working for the charity, I worked in hotels, but also, I’m an affected other. A family member of mine gambled the majority of my life and so it’s something I’m very passionate about. Also, when I joined, I had no idea whatsoever that gambling harm was as extreme as it was. A lot of more understanding just came up of that.

Recovery

There needs to be a complete public health awareness that’s made clear, just like tobacco laws of how dangerous this can be. There needs to be update in the gambling laws, which is currently under review and keeps getting disbanded. Basically, holding the industry responsible for the damage that they are causing and also, things like statutory levy to help fund the organizations without the influence of the industry, to raise awareness, educate, treat people, and support.

Change

It doesn’t need to happen. I don’t smoke, but if I wanted to smoke, I know exactly where to get some cigarettes. There is no advertising…There doesn’t need to be this bombardment, and also this normalization to children that this is okay, and this is a really fun thing to do, and actually, if you’re not doing it, you’re missing out. It just needs to stop, it’s just everywhere and it’s vile.

Change

We’re starting to talk about it. It can happen to absolutely anybody… Everybody understands that smoking, drinking, taking drugs is dangerous, gambling needs to be listed in there, 100%.

Change

I think a focus on women and the harms that happens to women. Everybody knows it happens, but I think there’s research to show that it does mainly impact young men, but there are actually so many women out there and just through the work that we’ve been doing and the contact that I’ve had that there needs to be more of a focus on the women who are impacted by gambling either directly or indirectly.

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