Tackling Gambling Stigma
  • Read Experiences
  • Take Part
  • About Us
  • Contributors
  • Support
  • Blog

Paul

Paul is in his mid-thirties and a football fan. Around six years ago he was introduced to smartphone betting by someone in his team at work. This became an important part of the daily routine of the group, with betting during breaks, banter and discussions on different bets. 

Paul knew a lot about football and found statistics online to do research. He thought this was something he could be skilled at and make some money. The flashing lights and the many deals enticed him in, and he would flick between companies for different offers. Companies kept him gambling by giving free bets if he spent a certain amount. If he did run out of money, he would be given a free bet to keep gambling until he next got paid. 

He enjoyed gambling. It became like a hobby, and he started to do it in the evenings and on weekends. It spiralled quickly and he got into debt for the first time in his life. But he thought it was just a case of him going about gambling the wrong way. 

He started gambling again and used gambling to cope with some stressful life events. Now he understands gambling is addictive like alcohol or drugs, has changed how his brain works, and he can’t have even one bet. 

He is part of Gamblers Anonymous, is still working all hours to pay off his debts and is making amends to his family. He says people need to talk – about gambling, and about the stressful thoughts that might lead to them gambling.

Contributions

Show text version

It was so much more easier to take part in this activity. It was all very open and honest and fun. It was. I won’t lie. It was at the time and I suppose that created the foundations for later on is perhaps what started off as a good thing– and for a lot of people in the country who can still gamble, well, as the saying goes gamble responsibly without it really an affecting them, more power to them.

That very same guy who introduced us, although sometimes he’s admitted he has a problem, I think as far as I’m aware, he still gambles on and off and he is able to do that. The other two people– we have three people. Another one doesn’t have a problem gambling. I don’t keep in touch with another lad who left. One of them has gotten a bit of debt with gambling before, but has stopped and it doesn’t bother him anymore.

The other one, actually, won 3.8 million on gambling. He’s my brother-in-law. It swings in roundabouts and now I’m the other one. For me, I would safely say that it went worse for me than it did anybody else in there, and that’s fine because that’s just life. I acknowledge where and who I am at this moment in time and that’s fine, but it’s hard to explain. It’s not very easy.

Paul
Stigma
Show text version

They portray a lot of things, these gambles as I’ve seen them over the years and they make a few lads on the night out in the bar, they’ve got phones with them, it’s okay to get your phone out. They’ve got the football on live screen, it could be in a local pub or something or restaurant. These gambling companies advertise, “Why don’t you put a bet? Your friend might do it. Why don’t you go against him because it looks like the other bet’s going to win?” I suppose there’s nothing wrong with that. The only thing we notice is the level of adverts, the volume of the advertisement is so extreme. I can’t blame a company for wanting to advertise a little or can’t blame a company for wanting to market themselves out there to attract people, but the level at which gambling companies do it is far too excessive. To a non-compulsive gambler, it’s too excessive for them. It’s too much. It’s all the time.

I love listening to my talkSPORT on the radio, and I still do, and I still get gambling advertisements on there all the time. They’re sponsored by gambling. They must be. I have to bypass that, I have to switch off and not hear because they’re always advertising free bets here, bonus there. It’s just constant. Although I can bypass it and ignore it, it’s trying to pull on strings of people out there and trying to get it in. It’s just relentless. Trying to work on the gamblers, or the government to help to have the gambling companies just come down a little with it because it’s a bit too much because it’s all the time constantly and there’s a growing number of people getting gambling problems, compulsive gamblers, and it’s just sad to see really.

Paul
Change
Show text version

“There was definitely a lot of research and we all was doing that, so it became– I’m trying to find the right words. It became quite a close-knit group in that sense.
Even when we was at home, we was getting messages saying this would be a good bet to put on tomorrow and such and such. Even when we was gambling on the day, we would be looking at who was playing tomorrow or what gambling we could do tomorrow. Especially if our bets weren’t paying off on that day, we could look at what we could do the next day to perhaps get that money back, to perhaps make that bet work. Then it became, “”Okay, what could we do to set up accumulators for over the weekend and we’d come in on Monday and someone might have won, someone might have lost, someone might have had a cash out. It was that sort of thing.
It created a lot of banter, it created a lot of talking, a lot of topics for us. You can basically see an idea of what started like a plant, basically, when you plant a seed, and then you watch it grow. It had that same effect on us as a group where it started from this one guy, and then he introduced us individually and as a group. We all made our own accounts and then before you know it, we were all totally immersed in this gambling world where we was doing our work but we was all consumed”

Paul
Show text version

Just like I said at the start, it seemed like this was something that out of nowhere, having never really been previously or didn’t even have any knowledge about it, for, “Hang on a minute. This is something I could potentially be good at. I don’t expect to get every single bet right, but it’s something I could make a lot of money in.” I would say being able to make money was the overriding factor, but in terms of the websites themselves, the gambling companies themselves, there was definitely a lot of enticement from there to get you on or at least keep you on. Yes, I would say definitely in the early stages, it was purely money. I didn’t have a kid at that time. I was newly married. I wouldn’t say I had much– I didn’t have much going on, so there was no overriding factor other than that and I just felt it was an easy way, a quick way of making money. I think over the years and over time that obviously as amongst others it got worse and worse.

Paul
Gambling Experiences
Show text version

I don’t have a smartphone. I have wanted a smartphone. I even got a smartphone, an upgrade on my contract last year. I just felt I could do it. I felt I could do it. This was just after I handed the phone back; my boss’ phone and came out the hospital. I went ahead and ordered a nice, shiny, new phone, it was a new Google pixel or something like that. My contracts went up in price and I felt, “No, I can unlist. I’m not going to gamble on it, I’m going to just use it for what it needs to be for. I will search the web and what have you, but I will put blocks on it and I will not gamble.”
I was adamant to my wife. I was quite stern. I said, “No, I will be okay. I will be fine. I feel I can do this.” She wasn’t happy about it. I ended up actually giving the phone to her because she needed an upgrade and it turns out it was the best decision and we acknowledged that I, perhaps shouldn’t have got that contract. When that contract ends next year I will get a lower contract again but I’m on that contract for my non-smartphone.

I am back to using this phone which, I never took it away. I had it and does everything I need it to do. She has now the upgrade which was the new phone that I had. She has her own SIM card in that. It worked out well in the end, but I jumped the gun a little, thinking I could have a smartphone, because I did want one and I still do want one. I would love a smartphone, I really would because I’d love to check my football, but I have to sit back now and acknowledge I am a compulsive gambler, would having a smartphone, as much as you say you won’t do this and you won’t do that, even if it’s over time, have the temptation to lead you back to gambling? It would.
I am a compulsive gambler. I’m a gambling addict, whether it’s six days, six months, or six years down the line I would probably have that temptation. Even if I started having gambling thoughts, which will inevitably come back, if I’ve got a smartphone at hand that’s going to make it harder to resist. The right logical decision, as much as I would love a smartphone, me and other people like me, unfortunately, you have to make sacrifices in life now. What’s best? Having a temptation and a smartphone just to be in this day and age but has the potential to ruin your life or make you commit suicide or lose your loved ones or not have a smartphone and actually live a nice normal healthy life, both mentally and physically. I know which one I’d choose and it’s not the smartphone. As much as I would like one for what they are, I acknowledge I’m better without one. That’s just the sacrifice I have to make and I can live with that, I can.

Paul
Harm
Show text version

My wife will testify at that and a whole range of people will. Your personality changes, your behaviour changes. You see some of it and you don’t see others, yourself because you’re so immersed in it, you’ll do whatever it takes to gamble. Not just doing what it takes to gamble or how to gamble, but doing the gambling itself, how to access the gambling sites. You could be doing things like, “I’m supposed to go and meet friends tonight, I’m going to go out for the night,” “Okay, no worries, have a good night.”
You’d leave the door, but you wouldn’t even turn up to that person. You could be sat in your car around the corner gambling on your phone all night, come back a few hours later, and your wife thinks you’ve been to your friend’s house. You haven’t, you’ve been sat in your car gambling. My friend could even be expecting me. It could be a truth.
My friend could have been expecting that night, but I actually sat around the corner and started gambling for hours on end, just on my phone, sat in the car on my own, why would I do that? Why would I not turn up to my friends? Why would I lie to my wife? Why would I sit in the car around the corner gambling, so I lost all money and then go back home and actually tell her that I actually went to see my friend. Why would I do that?

Paul
Harm
Show text version

In terms of behavioural changes when I’m gambling, I’ll give you an example, I got a birthday present off my sister, a watch. Bless her, it was a lovely watch, really nice and I kept it in its box. I had a watch at the time, which I do still have, was given to me by my wife, but I got another watch off my sister as a birthday present a few years ago, three or four years ago now, at least.I actually pawned it. I actually didn’t have any money, but I wanted to gamble and the change in behaviour in me had led for me to take this present and anything else that I had. I travelled to the other end of Preston to go to a cash converter’s where I got a third of the price it should have been. I took the money. It was money. I put some fuel in my car because I only had enough to get there, not back and the rest I could use to gamble and I was dead happy. I was unbelievably happy that I sold the brand-new watch that was never worn for less than half the value just so I can go and gamble.

Paul
Harm
Show text version

The fact that I was one of these people that can’t do it. Not everybody. There is a growing number of people like myself, but yes, not everybody can do it. People can gamble and gamble safely. That’s really good, but gambling is an addiction. When I’ve had a relapse since I’ve had my kid and I didn’t think it was something I’d ever do. Once I had my kid, I thought I’d be gamble free and that would be the end of it.

I had people saying to me, “You’ve got a kid now. You need to think of your kid. You can’t gamble.” At the time I wasn’t gambling. At the time I was clean for a while, a long time, and things were going great, but I ended up getting complacent. I moved from my job as a landscape gardener into the office. This is where at the start of this meeting, I referenced I was going to use this later on about being in the office. I’m going to go back to that now in terms of the major relapses, the two relapses I’ve had, I went three years and I’ve had two relapses in the space of a year, all coincided when I moved into the office. What had happened was I’d moved back into a gambling environment. I got myself out of one through that group I mentioned earlier on and I had actually left– people dispersed and went their own ways, but then I actually left that company and went to a new company and everything was great. Everything was great. I then moved into the office. I had the opportunity to do so, and I took it with both arms and thought this was going to be the best thing since sliced bread, and an opportunity to progress as I’ve wanted to. Not long after I took it, six months later I had surgery. Even before that, I retract, I’ll go before that. As soon as I moved into the office, I realized a lot of people were gambling. Everyone was doing the lottery. There was a lottery syndicates. A lot of people was entering the radio competitions. People were doing bets on like the horses. My own bosses and colleagues were gambling on stock exchange, gold, silver, and cryptocurrencies, which is now the new one.

Paul
Recovery
Show text version

Gambling wants you– and we talk about this in the meeting, it’s a very true way of looking at it, a gambling company or gambling website, whichever you want to look at it, gambling wants you, as a compulsive gambler, it wants you alone, it wants you in a room on your own, on your phone with no distractions from the outside world. It just wants you fixed on that phone, fixed on gambling, all the time. Does not want you to associating with anyone else; friends, family loved ones, doesn’t want you anywhere near anyone else. Doesn’t want you socializing, wants you on your own, on a laptop, or on your phone gambling on that particular website, to that particular gambling company, and once you’re doing that 24 hours a day, hence why gambling is now 24 hours a day because it wants you on their 24 hours a day. I’ve been up gambling at three o’clock, four o’clock in the morning. I’ve set alarms to wake up in the middle of the night so I could gamble, or to check my bets to see if they’ve come in or whether they haven’t. Other people have said the same thing so I know it’s across the board as well.

Paul
Gambling Companies
Show text version

Especially when our dinner time came around, when we would stop working for an hour, we would be really on it, all of us looking into our smartphones and everyone doing their own bets. People could be betting on the same game, but doing different ones and it created a really fun, nice kind of distraction as well as a bit of a fun– how do I put it? Just a bit of a fun social activity to do really in between when we was working. Again, I was taking that home and again still being fun, still found it something I was enjoying. I was doing it whilst I was at home in the comfort of my own home. I think that’s where it spiralled because I was on my own. I could be more secretive and I could start to hide things better than– my gambling. I could even hide from those people I was gambling socially with. They didn’t know the extent of my gambling outside of the work environment, because it’s all done on my smartphone. As far as they were aware, I was gambling– yes, they could have said I was gambling at home, but they could have only thought the vast majority of the gambling I was doing was when I was with them. When you’ve got this smartphone, you’ve got access to these websites and these companies, and again, I was in charge of my own bank account back then, and that sort of thing, and money was a bit more readily available.

Paul
Gambling Companies
Show text version

At that point, I’d signed up and was starting gambling. I think that first win heightened an acknowledgment of what I’ve done and what I was getting into. Subsequently, the years that followed, we would be gambling quite often. I suppose bouncing off each other, we all gambled in the van we was working in. There was six of us, and we all had smartphones. We all knew each other to a certain extent, and we would all gamble, even being on the same website, the same gambling site. You we all had our own accounts, but would joke about, “What bet have you got on? What bet have you got on?” and seeing who would win. When we were not working, that’s what we were doing as a recreational thing to get by during our break times and our dinner times at work. That’s how it really started really with me. It just all came to a head when I just found I couldn’t stop.

Paul
Gambling Companies

Like I said, my big, big thing is for betting companies to take their duty of care much, much more stringently than they ever have done before. All right, people get addicted, but the gambling, the betting industry doesn’t help anybody who’s getting deeper and deeper in. They’re not in some respects, they encourage it, and I’d love to see them stop doing that.

Change

These websites, they’re all very flashing lights, a lot of deals, a lot of appeals, free bets… I remember at the time in the early days, a certain specific website would actually give out free bets if you spent a certain amount of money. Before I was really chasing losses, to a certain extent, I was using money, and if I did run out, I would end up with a free bet anyway. The gambling company was able to keep me gambling perhaps till I next got paid and then I was able to carry on gambling again. There was, again, the flashing lights, the fact that they could draw me in, the way it was all labelled, and the upcoming events.

Gambling Companies

I’ll be honest. It started off, like I said, social fun thing that just found its way into just grasping you and becoming a more consuming evil that took grasp as time went on. The more time you would spend on it, the harder it became to come away.

Gambling Companies

That was that, and again, on the weekends, it became a more prominent thing. It was more and more football. That’s where the vast majority was. Then he started taking up the weekends and that’s when you start to see go from a hobby to– and again, this is all something you enjoy littered with losses that annoy you, frustrate you. Has its own pitfalls, but it was still in the stage of being fun, still in the stage of you kind of have that money to lose. This wasn’t at the point where overdrafts were being spent or loans were being– I was getting loans from loan companies and things like that, or emptying my bank account at this stage, but the gambling itself just became more prominent just over weeks, which to some might seem a long time, but it’s not. It can all spiral very quickly.

Gambling Companies

It turns you into someone you’re not and keeps you there until you’ve got nothing left. At that point, being back to your normal self, you then try and rebuild your life. When you’re doing it, time and time again, it can drag you down mentally and physically. That’s when people start committing suicide and having suicidal thoughts because they can’t see a way out. The person that they’ve become is someone that they don’t want to be and never thought they would be… They think it’s best that they just commit suicide and be done with it rather than speak to people.

Stigma

I suppose it became from somewhat very recreational, very like a one-off to something a little bit regular. It became regular and ended up becoming like a hobby in a way. It became something that I enjoyed doing and could pass the time. If I did have a break or if I was watching something I wasn’t really interested in, I could have something going on in the background that seems to be more fun and could potentially make me maybe some money at the same time.

I was meant to go and visit one of the lads in question recently. Well, about a month ago now. Maybe month and half ago. I’d said, yes, originally, and then I remember texting him saying, “I can’t make it. Look, I’m working all hours at the minute.” Which I still am to pay off me debts. I’m working a lot of overtime, things like that.

Harm

It’s something that only recently I’ve been able to acknowledge and get the right type of help for. Back then at the start, it was a case of, “Okay, I’ve messed up.” I did it wrong. I did it wrong. I went about it the wrong way and then not too long afterwards, I did it again with the acknowledgment of, “Well, I did it wrong last time. I’ll do it right this time. Things will be different,” but it doesn’t work like that and it took, I think another relapse, another stay at gambling 2017 where I got into that again and needed help to pay off the debt again.

Harm

I have lied to her, and I’ve done a whole manner of horrible things, not directly to her, but things like lying and not being truthful in that sense. Now, not gambling, and previous years, you would never have thought I’d be like that, and I would never have thought I’d be like that. Never in a million years would I have dreamt of doing the things or saying the things that I’ve done to my wife that I have done. I’d never in a million years. I take all the blame and responsibility for my actions that I’ve done with gambling, but I would– sat back, looking back at it now, I would think, “Wow, was that you? Was that the same person? It can’t be. It can’t be the same person.”

Harm

I’ll never get my trust fully back and I can live with that, deal with that. She has to now manage the finances, so what bills come to where, so I, effectively don’t have a bank account, which works for us both but I feel like she feels like she has an added pressure now because she has to pull that going on as well.

Harm

Share content

>Facebook Twitter

Join our newsletter

Subscribe
Follow us

Got a question?

Get in touch

© 2022 Tackling Stigma Ltd | Registered in England & Wales at 601 London Road, Westcliff-On-Sea, England, SS0 9PE | Company Number: 13339976   Privacy Policy   |   Sitemap

Website by Blue Frontier
Delivering you the best possible experience

We use cookies on our website to deliver you the best online experience, by using them to analyse site traffic, tailor and personalise content to you and serve targeted ads for the latest deals.

For the best experience, please accept all cookies, however, if you would like to manage your cookie preferences please alter the cookie choices here to control your consent.

Accept All Cookies

Our use of cookies

This website uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website, to read more about the cookies we use, please read our cookies policy here.

Necessary cookies

Necessary cookies enable core functionality such as security, network management, and accessibility. You may disable these by changing your browser settings, but this may affect how the website functions.

Analytics cookies

We’d like to set Google Analytics cookies to help us to improve our website by collecting and reporting information on how you use it. The cookies collect information in a way that does not directly identify anyone.

Marketing cookies

We and our advertising suppliers use these technologies to personalise the advertising you see. They work by seeing how you use our services and other websites. They use that information to predict what might interest you. You might see personalised advertising on our services, on other websites or in marketing emails.
Save & Accept