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Andy

Andy is nearly fifty and married with children. As a child he enjoyed going to the races with his dad and when he was of legal age, he would do a bit of betting in the bookmakers. His difficulties started around six years ago when he began betting on football on apps on his phone. Unlike in the bookies, his family and community couldn’t see how much he was betting and there were non-stop opportunities to bet.

He enjoyed researching the games, finding the best odds, feeling that he was in with a good chance, and he won quite a bit of money. He soon found that any money he won went back into gambling, and if he lost, he would gamble to try and win it back. There was no pleasure in it. He worried about how much things cost in everyday life but found gambling online made money stop feeling real. 

He thinks he gambled to erase pressures at home and to get money when the family finances were stretched. But gambling took him away from his family, damaged trust and got him into debt. He says the shame of disappointing those close to you stops people asking for help. 

Now he has blocked his access to online gambling and given his wife control of his finances. He goes to Gamblers Anonymous and gets a buzz from being bet free and being part of the group. He enjoys having a clear head and normal life with his family. He thinks people should be told gambling is addictive and people should be able to self-exclude for life. 

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I feel as though there should be perhaps, whether it’s more adverts traps on the telly because the majority of adverts, they might just have it at the bottom of the screen saying, “Gambling harms,” or whatever, “It can be a problem,” but it’s always in small writing. The main advert is just saying about bets or opening an account, and you can have all these free bets. I think it was more adverts to almost go alongside, or be as hard-hitting as perhaps smoking adverts and stuff like that as though– I don’t think people realize the severity of it and what it could do, but it is always in small writing at the bottom, “Gambling can harm lives or gambling, be aware. Gambling–” blah, blah, blah. There’s never almost a hard-hitting advert. Sometimes when there’s been programmes on gambling and you see the destruction it can have whether it’s famous people who’ve got problems or people who are real people, if you like, who’ve got into a mess. Some of them programmes have been good in the past but I do think that this should have– If I would say, I think have more adverts just showing how dangerous it is, and what it could lead to, because it is so serious what it can do. That’s what I’d say. I’d say, I think there should be more things advertising how dangerous it is with those kind of words, “This is dangerous. If you ever start gambling, it could lead to this, it could lead to that,” whereas it doesn’t tend to be that. It’s more advertising as though it’s a great thing to do.

Andy
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Not last weekend, the weekend before, and the mates were going out on a Sunday. One of the lads who went out, he doesn’t bet, but all the others do. He rung me up and said, “Do you know what?” ” He said, “I was out with them all on Sunday. I actually said to them, “It’s not ideal this, is it? If Andy comes out with us.”. They were like, “Why?” He said, “All of you, every single one of you while this football game is on, you’re all on your phones and talking about what you’ve had a bet on and almost exchanging thoughts on the bets and this, that, and the other.” When I heard that, I thought, “Yes, I’m not ready to go out and be in that environment yet.” Because obviously, you’ve got to, at some point, be like that, but you just got to think, “Well, it’s not going to bother me.”
At the moment, because it’s so raw, I think I won’t put myself in that position. These people have said, “If you ever want to go out for drinks or a chat–” I know when I do that, it would be literally with one of them. I wouldn’t go out with five, six, seven of them because I wouldn’t want them to stop having a bet because I’m there, but at the same time, I probably will be uncomfortable if they are all talking about gambling when I’m there just wanting to have a drink.

Andy
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My wife has always been, “I just need this money for the mortgage, the food, the bills.” I know it’s a set amount every week. The money that was left, I’m thinking, “Well, that would pay for that loan.” So I just thought I’ll live like that.

But when I look back now, I’m thinking I would’ve been in a mess because I’d have probably been leaving myself with about £3-4 a week paying these loans off. So when I got caught, the first thing my mum did, because I told my mum, she said, “Well, you can’t be owing people or owing loans,” so she helped me out and paid off the loan. But at the same time, I’ve got to pay, my mum back. It’s not as though she’s giving it me as a, “There you go. Don’t do it again,” she’s like, “I’ll give you the money, but we’re not in a great position for money. I’m so disappointed in you,” this, that, and the other. But I’ve now set up a payment plan to pay my mum off rather than paying the loan I got out. That will probably be for another three years.

Again, the most upsetting thing about it all– it’s bad enough going to your mum and dad and asking for help, but I was due to finish a previous loan in August. I would’ve been debt free. You’re thinking so close to having all that paid off and you’ve done that. That eats away at me thinking, “Argh”.

Andy
Harm

You’ve got access to things to try and help you out to try and get straight but realistically, you’re just going down a deeper and deeper hole and eventually, it could lead to– You hear about people who’ve taken their own lives, because they’ve got in such a mess, the embarrassment, the shame, the money they owe. At times, you do think, “How can I get straight? How can I get back to normal? How can I pay this money back?” Questions are just going over and over in your head and then again, this is when you’re lying awake at night, and you do at times, you get some really dark thoughts as though, “Is there a way out from this?” I can almost understand why people do drastic things because you just don’t think there’s a way out.

Harm
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On a Sunday, we do always go out as a family, another family day, which we should do more. Even last week on my day off, me and my wife just went out. It was just so nice that just the two of us going out talking and just being normal, which you think it’s not difficult to do that but we’ve not been doing it enough. We both said after we went out, “How nice was that?” Because you’re not on your phone. We were just talking. Like I say, when she’s asking me about the gambling, I’m not uncomfortable about it because I think, “Well, everything now is finally out in the open. There’s nothing that’s going to perhaps catch me out, or I’ve got something else to tell you.” It’s nice that my head’s clear from it and I can hopefully start focusing on the good things just like going out together or going for a walk.

On Sunday, we went and just had a game of crazy golf, just things that you think, yes, you’re doing that, you’re enjoying it, you’re having a laugh, and that there’s nothing else to stop you having a good time. Whereas in the past, if you were doing that I might be, “Oh, I’ll just check my phone because that football game is kicking off in a bit, or let’s see where we’re up to on that.” You’re coming home. It’s almost like you’ve come home, you’ve had a good day and it’s a relief to sit down thinking. Yes, no, “Oh, I need to check that,” and it feels good It feels weird to think there’s nothing on my only mind.”

Andy
Recovery
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The phone for me was the big thing and then the other thing, which again, for me it is massive because my wife, we went to the bank together. My wife has now taken over my bank account which we didn’t do to this extent first time round and just listening to different people in the groups, the GA group, they were saying, that’s the best, even though it might not suit, or you might not like it initially that’s the best way to do it. My wife now has my bank card. I’ve got rid of the NatWest app so I wouldn’t even have any inkling into passwords, how to log in, the bank knows of the gambling thing so everything would have to go through my wife first. My wife now gets my wage, does what she needs to do with the wage as in the food shopping, petrol, whatever, and then it will be a case of, and like she said, “I’m not controlling the money. I’m just looking after it.”

Andy
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Then, like I say, just over four weeks ago, I’d done exactly what I’d done the previous time. I’d gone into the savings. My wife obviously knew straight away there was something not right, rung me and just said, “Have you been gambling again?” Which I said, “Yes.” She chucked me out. I was living with my mum and dad for over a week because of it all. I knew after last time I wouldn’t get that chance again. The worst thing probably about it was always the fact having said I would never do it again and if something did, or I had thoughts, gambling again, I would be upfront and honest and say, “Yes, I’ve done it.” Again, it was being caught out. I think that I honestly probably thought I wouldn’t get caught out and I could have carried it on. It’s only now where I’m so pleased that I did get caught out and finally doing something hopefully this time that will never happen again.

Andy
Recovery
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I don’t know what the trigger was because I did feel as though I was in a good place and not really thinking of stuff like that. I really don’t know what the trigger was. Sometimes I look at it and think, well there’s quite a lot of times, and everyone’s in the same boat it is tight sometimes with money and sometimes my wife will come home from shopping even, food shopping and say like, “Oh, we’ve gone over again.” The budget, say £70-80 budget food and it’s come to £90 or whatever and, “It’s a nightmare, this. We can’t keep doing this. We’re going to have to start cutting down on stuff.”  Then I might be perhaps going out and having a few pints. Then she’s like looking at me and though, “Well, hold on a minute. I’m paying this extra for the food. You are going out for a few pints. This isn’t fair.” Again, I look back and I think, yes, I’m not a selfish person, I know I’m not, but at the same time where stuff like that’s concerned, I obviously have been because I should be putting my family first and saying, “Well yes, hold on a minute, I can’t be spending £20-30 going for a drink when we need food or we need essential stuff.”

I think, again, perhaps that was in my head a lot where you’re thinking we are struggling a bit, we’ve not got money, ooh, I know, how about if I start trying to win money? I’m thinking I probably thought like that again, without thinking I am, I’m thinking that’s probably been in my mind as though there’s a way to perhaps get money and then be able to say, “Yes, here’s some money, you can do this, you can do that. Or let’s go out and do this.” When really, it’s just masking the situation. You’re not going to be better off. Again, you’re going down that horrible life which is just going to ruin and upset more people. I think again, it just escalated.”

Andy
Recovery
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Yes, well again, like I said before, it makes you like a different person because you’re constantly trying to live your life as normal as you can but knowing that the lying and the deceitfulness and the almost you’re being sneaky around your family or even friends because you can’t wait to put these bets on.

When I look back now, I think yes, there’s times where I’ve been doing it and I’ve got my family sat opposite me and never once are you looking at your family thinking I’m putting money on here that is money that we have not got as a family, and I’ve not really got that to spend or gamble with but you almost have blinkers on you. You’re that involved, you don’t think of them, and it’s only after if something’s gone wrong you do start thinking, “What have I done? Why did I do that?” and do you know what I always think and I find it again, it’s so like almost pathetic that you can do things like this? Sometimes you’ll put a bet, say, for instance, it might be £50, £100, something like that, which is a hell of a lot of money, and then perhaps your son might be after something and you’ll be saying, “Well, how much is that?” Let’s say like £5 and you’re like “£5 for that?” and then, you know, you’re thinking how can you even think like that when you’ve just done that? And again, you question yourself thinking, “Well, that’s just so unfair to think you question that, but think nothing of putting that sum on a football match.”

Clare: And why do you think that is?

Andy: Again, I don’t know. You’re so involved with everything that nothing around you seems to sort of matter, or you’re not really thinking of who you’re letting down.
It’s all about you’re in that sort of zone and nothing around you matters. That’s all I can say really. You just not thinking of anything else.

Andy
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At the time it’s almost quite exciting looking for perhaps the best odds or something that you really fancy and you’re looking at different bookmaker sites thinking, “Oh, that’s better odds,” or, “Look at this for a bet” and this, that and the other so the buzz of all that and then getting your bet on and placing the bet thinking, “Oh, can’t wait for the football match to start,” or whatever and getting a bit excited about that, that side of it’s a buzz. And yet when the actual game– and it usually was football or a horse race, when the actual game starts, then you’ve gone from perhaps the buzz and the excitement of get the bets on to then being probably on edge for that game. Instead of watching a game and enjoying the game you’re on edge and you’re almost uncomfortable in your own skin because you start panicking about, “Well, if this bet doesn’t come in, I’m in a mess, this is money I’ve not really got. You’ve gone from the buzz of putting a bet on looking forward to the game to then panicking and getting all sort of worked up and agitated when the actual event started thinking that if it doesn’t come off, you could be in a deep hole.

Andy
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Because it’s gone on for that long it’s hard to say when it did change, but I suppose once you start working full-time and you’ve got more money or access to money that you’ve probably not had, I suppose then you’re likely, and I probably did, have perhaps more on because you’ve got more money. Again, when it should have stayed like that, there’s been times where it’s just got ridiculous. You could even have a wage and then think, “Well, that’s gone already” because you just fancied something or you wanted a bet. Then again, you’re always playing catchup.

Andy
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Sometimes I look at it and think, well there’s quite a lot of times, and everyone’s in the same boat it is tight sometimes with money and sometimes my wife will come home from shopping even, food shopping and say like, “Oh, we’ve gone over again.” The budget, say £70-80 budget food and it’s come to £90 or whatever and, “It’s a nightmare, this. We can’t keep doing this. We’re going to have to start cutting down on stuff.” Then I might be perhaps going out and having a few pints. Then she’s like looking at me as though, “Well, hold on a minute. I’m paying this extra for the food. You are going out for a few pints. This isn’t fair.”

Again, I look back and I think, yes, I’m not a selfish person, I know I’m not, but at the same time where stuff like that’s concerned, I obviously have been because I should be putting my family first and saying, “Well yes, hold on a minute, I can’t be spending £20-30 going for a drink when we need food or we need essential stuff.”

I think, again, perhaps that was in my head a lot where you’re thinking we are struggling a bit, we’ve not got money, ooh, I know, how about if I start trying to win money? I’m thinking I probably thought like that again, without thinking I am, I’m thinking that’s probably been in my mind as though there’s a way to perhaps get money and then be able to say, “Yes, here’s some money, you can do this, you can do that. Or let’s go out and do this.” When really, it’s just masking the situation. You’re not going to be better off. Again, you’re going down that horrible life which is just going to ruin and upset more people.”

Andy
Gambling Experiences

Then I think that’s the turning point with what you say there. Once you could get onto your phone and access, it’s just ridiculous the amount of bets and you can basically bet on everything and whereas you go in a bookies and there might be just the odd bet here, it just opens so many things.

Gambling Companies

It was always going to bookies. Again, I think perhaps that was why I probably didn’t ever put that much on, because it was perhaps the way it was as well. You tended to perhaps know a lot of people because it’s only a small area where I live. Perhaps you knew people and you were almost not wanting them to see if you were putting a certain amount on or your dad might have even been in there as though, well, what are you doing with £20-30? You know I only have a couple of pounds on, so it was almost, I just put little bits on just for the enjoyment.

Gambling Companies

I actually spoke to my GP not long after this all came out, but I thought he was a waste of space to be honest because at no point did he say, “Yes, I’d like to speak to you.” He just said, “I’ll send you a few links regarding counselling which I found poor, to be honest. Because I do feel as though when you’re speaking to someone face to face, you can get your point across and explain stuff and it was just the case of probably. “I don’t want to see you. I can just send you links,” and the links were just about counselling.

Stigma

You’ve got access to things to try and help you out to try and get straight but realistically, you’re just going down a deeper and deeper hole and eventually, it could lead to– You hear about people who’ve taken their own lives, because they’ve got in such a mess, the embarrassment, the shame, the money they owe. At times, you do think, “How can I get straight? How can I get back to normal? How can I pay this money back?” Questions are just going over and over in your head and then again, this is when you’re lying awake at night, and you do at times, you get some really dark thoughts as though, “Is there a way out from this?” I can almost understand why people do drastic things because you just don’t think there’s a way out.

Gambling Experiences

I mean whereas probably a normal person, should I say, who’s not a gambler like myself, a normal person would probably think, “I’ve lost, walk away. I couldn’t really afford to do that. This is where I stop now,” I would 24 hours later, having felt awful and so down, that bet that should be still fresh in your memory for probably weeks or months after it’s almost just gone like that because you’re then thinking, what can I do? How can I get it back on the next event?

Gambling Experiences

Sometimes, my little boy, he has disabilities, and my wife also does have a disability. Sometimes I’ve almost questioned myself as though I wonder if it’s almost something to perhaps erase what’s going on at home, as though for a bit of a buzz or to able to turn round and say, “I’ve won some money. Well, it’d be nice to treat them.” I think does that sometimes play in my head as though that would be nice, it’s almost an escape, if you like, from what’s going on at home.

Gambling Experiences

From an early age my dad had put bets on for me, but it was always, perhaps, daft amounts like 25p, 50p on horses or something, just for a bit of interest. Then when I got to the age where I could go in a bookmakers, I was quite often going in. Again, because you didn’t have that sort of money then as such. I did have a paper round, so I suppose I had a bit of extra money, or I got pocket money. It was only really when I was 18 and able to go in bookmakers, which I did – I don’t mind admitting I did enjoy going in, I felt it was quite a buzz.

Gambling Experiences

My dad’s already made it clear and said, “You know this is the last time. You know we can’t help you out again.” Again, I’ve got to keep that in my head as though I know, I can’t. I don’t want my marriage to end because of what I’ve done. This is where it’s sad and upsetting because you think, “Through no fault of my wife’s, I’ve put her in this position.” She’s the innocent one in this. My son’s innocent, my family are all innocent, and yet I’m the one who’s putting the worry and stress and strain on them from no fault of their own.

Harm

You’re so consumed by all the betting and what you’re doing, you’re not making time for the person you should be making time for… Even sometimes you’re saying like, “Where’s it going? Is there any affection or there doesn’t seem to be that connection that there was years ago.” Then you think, yes, it probably is mainly down to myself when I look back now, because I am not probably giving her the time she wants and saying nice things to her or being a family person because it’s so – At the time, if we’d been out as a family and both my wife and son have said to me, “What are you doing on your phone again? You’re always on your phone.”

Harm

You’ve got access to things to try and help you out to try and get straight but realistically, you’re just going down a deeper and deeper hole and eventually, it could lead to– You hear about people who’ve taken their own lives, because they’ve got in such a mess, the embarrassment, the shame, the money they owe. At times, you do think, “How can I get straight? How can I get back to normal? How can I pay this money back?” Questions are just going over and over in your head and then again, this is when you’re lying awake at night, and you do at times, you get some really dark thoughts as though, “Is there a way out from this?” I can almost understand why people do drastic things because you just don’t think there’s a way out.

I can only say and reiterate what I said earlier that, when you do stop, albeit it’s only early days. It makes you appreciate everything so much more, around you. It’s ridiculous but just to go to bed at night with a clear head knowing that I’m not worrying about things. It’s the norm but at the same time, it feels great.

Recovery

You’re thinking, “How can I get that money back,” and then you’re thinking, the biggest thing is the amount of people you’ve let down. The shame of letting those people down and instead of being upfront and saying, “I’ll put my hands up. I’ve made a huge mistake.” You almost don’t want the embarrassment of having to say that. I know it would be almost the coward’s way out but you feel as though you can’t come forward and tell people what you’ve been doing whereas like I say, both times I’ve been caught out rather than come forward. You think, “It’s probably a blessing I have been caught out”.

Recovery

It was probably about three years ago when my wife questioned me because she’d seen that I’d been going into the savings, which was again to gamble with, and she just asked me what have I been doing, so I knew I had to say what I’d been doing because I couldn’t think– well, I didn’t think I was probably going to get caught, and I felt as though I could probably replace it, so- I should have come clean. I know I should have come clean, but she caught me, so upset.

Recovery

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